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The blanket 20mph speed limit imposed on traffic in Portsmouth, one of two cities chosen in a government pilot scheme, is neither effective nor enforceable, residents said yesterday.
People questioned by The Times in Queen’s Road, where demonstrators once blocked the street after a spate of fatal accidents, pointed to an electronic speed detector erected by the council as an example of how the scheme was – or was not – working.
Its lights, designed to flicker into action whenever a vehicle breaches 20mph, remain dead, but not because drivers are paying attention to the limit. On the contrary: the sensor could not react to the cars haring past yesterday afternoon because a builder had inadvertently blocked it with a stack of metal containers.
The useless sign, which is meant to caution drivers as they approach the docks where HMS Victoryand the remnants of the Mary Rose are kept, is emblematic of residents’ attitude towards the new limits. Even those who supported the scheme did not believe that it would make a difference unless speed humps or police cameras were used to enforce it.
Michelle Geater, 33, a healthcare support worker living in the Paulsgrove area of the city, observed the scheme’s ineffectiveness first hand recently when a van travelling at 70mph in a 20mph zone smashed into the back of her parked car, propelling it through her the gates of her driveway.
“The 20mph sign didn’t make any difference,” she said. “He got in the van and put his foot to the floor. The gates were bolted and locked with a padlock, but they were ripped apart.”
A tree planted outside her front door was also taken away after a car uprooted it in a collision before driving off. “He left his bumper behind on the grass. The police asked me on the phone, ‘Did you get his numberplate?’ I said, ‘Yes. I’m holding it in my hand’.”
Signs will not be enough on their own, residents say, and the police do not have the manpower to enforce it.
Tom Nash, 54, a driving instructor, said that the blanket scheme would be less effective than restricting 20mph zones to specific areas such as schools. “They’re putting 20mph signs in places where you don’t need them. So people are just ignoring them.”
Alex Searsbrook, 64, a duty manager of the Royal Maritime Club in the Queen’s Road, said that those who did obey the lower limit were naturally careful drivers. “It works some of the time, but you stand here and you can still see them speeding – especially buses and taxis screaming down. If you really want to bring it down to 20mph, you have to put ramps in.”
He estimated that 30 per cent of drivers were ignoring the limit. “I think that people will get used to it once a few of them have been pulled over. They need a kick up the arse.”
A shopkeeper in the road – which links the historic dockyard to Unicorn Gate, where Navy court martials take place – said that he thought the new limits were pointless. The man, who declined to be named, said: “You need to educate people to cross the road properly. I talked to a policeman about the 20mph limit. He said it is impossible to enforce.”
Portsmouth City Council maintains that the scheme is a triumph. The 20mph zone was introduced to Queen’s Road after three fatalities in 2005, when a pair of pensioners were killed on their way to a bingo game and Darren King, a cyclist, was hit while riding his bicycle across a pedestrian crossing. Since the lower limit was imposed, accidents have fallen by almost two thirds, to eight.
The council said that average traffic speeds have dropped by 5mph on the road, although a study by the car magazine Auto Expresssuggested that drivers in 20mph zones elsewhere in the city have not been so compliant. A team armed with a speed gun recorded average speeds on three low-speed roads of 23mph, 27mph and 29mph.
Hull, another city at the forefront of the 20mph road safety strategy, recorded a halving of accidents in zones in trials as far back as 2002.
The statistics, put before Parliament in evidence to the Transport Select Committee that year, suggested that accidents resulting in death and serious injury dropped by 90 per cent, while accidents involving child pedestrians reduced by threequarters. The evidence became an important factor in the growth of 20mph zone usage.
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"Darren King, a cyclist, was hit while riding his bicycle across a pedestrian crossing".
Couldn't possibly be because he was belting across the crossing without looking - far faster than any driver could reasonably expect could it?
Round here it could!
Mike Bibby, St Albans, England -not Eu
Can all these people who support the 20mph limits honestly say they have never been over the current speed limits. It's just nimbyism isn't it - I'll go speedin along your road but don't do it on mine.
joe, london,
I think many drivers ignore the limits because they are too widespread. If there is a 20mph limit with no visible reason for its existence, it will be ignored as unnecessary. You see the same effect outside villages, where the 30mph limit starts well before any sign of houses, so drivers ignore it.
Colin, Barnstaple, Devon
It is simple to enforce the speed limit set up dedicated task forces on a basic wage plus bonuses and a minimum target. They should be allowed to set up anywhere they liked and also covertly. They would soon work out the most profitable ways to catch speeders and speeders would never feel confident
D Case, newquay,
I would like to see the 20mph limit in villages as well as towns.
Alice, Cambridgeshire,
If as the government tells us "speed Kills" then why aren't we all dead already?
The farcical driving test needs to be reviewed as it is inappropraite use of speed that is dangerous and blanket 20 limits will do nothing to stop this.
Only education not cameras will work.
Christian, London,
One needs to educate the pedestrian first on how to cross and walk on town roads. I saw 3 occassions where parents just screamed at their toddlers to hurry up.They did not use proper crosiings. Where is the sence of making it 20mph before all can use footpaths and roads safely? Driving instructor
Christy ADI, Maidstone, UK
The danger outside schools is not from speeding motorists but from the hoards of parked cars which restrict visibility both of pedestrians and motorists.There should be double yellow lines outside all schools so that kids can see and be seen.
A.Pittman, Bristol, UK
So many complaints of drivers ignoring the lower speed limit, as though the piece of metal is right and the one looking and driving the road is wrong!
What a farce. After decades of road improvements with the speed limit at 30mph, the only way the limit should move is up. 40mph for my road please.
Adam Nakar, Surbiton, Surrey
Speed limits are cheap to 'invent', but the enforcement of tighter laws costs more money.
At the extreme, if the government wants to regulate all intimate aspects of personal life, then, a mathematically impossible police force would be required.
Rui, Lisbon,
The usual bleat "20 is OK outside schools" - so the kids just leave then evaporate do they ? For all sorts of reasons - including reducing congestion - they should be encouraged to walk / cycle home using the roads that are not "outside schools".
Paul , Teddington, UK
The evidence is that 20mph zones significantly reduce risk to the most vulnerable road users, pedestrians and cyclists. For far too long, their interests have been secondary to those of motorists, because decision-makers drive cars. We should be protecting the vulnerable, not excusing the selfish.
Richard Burton, Bristol, UK
Horizontal deflection is as problematic as vertical. Most people can control themselves , for those that can't bring on the time over distance cameras that the Home office have been dithering over.
Paul , Teddington, UK
Speed is used as an excuse most of the time. Speed doesn't kill, speed IN THE WRONG PLACE does.
Rather than blanket everything which no one respects, have proper limits in the right places and then enforce them.
Ticket for 80 mph on an empty dual carriageway is one thing, 40mph outside a school??
John Whitby, Peterborough, England
We have these 20mph limits here in Somerset, mostly outside schools. Even a local MP suggested in a local newspaper that people should ignore these pointless limits.
Dick Hardman, Bridgwater, UK
So what's new about drivers ignoring speed limits ? On my daily runs, 99% of drivers do exactly that - he speed limit is treated as an advisory minimum. Try driving at the speed limit, whether 20 or 70, you will be flashed, tail-gated and eventually over-taken at speeds well in excess of the limit.
Terry Dell, Weybridge, UK
Two small items against this stupid idea.1) a push bike can easily exceed that and they would not be breaking thye law or caught. They also contribute nothing to the roads.2) at that ridiculous limit (school entrances excepted) pollution will soar.... who wins?
Neil Brown, Maidstone,
Very few people, if any, ever obey speed limits in Preston. They don't even pay attention to red lights anymore, or zebra crossings. Motorists in general are so out of control. It's becoming a joke to cross the road near my house where there is no crossing provided but it's where my bus stop is.
Kevin Rogers, Preston, United Kingdom
Until speed limits are variable they will not be respected. As it is those done for speeding are mostly only breaking a mindless piece of bureaucracy not a safety rule. As a result even those recklessly speeding are now no longer disapproved of as we can no longer tell the difference.
D Cage, Highworth, Wilts
A 20mph limit was introduced in my town centre a few months ago. Very few people comply with it and just this week I saw a motorcyclist driving through the town centre at about 50mph, mid-morning. Unless speed limits are enforced there will always be selfish and stupid drivers who ignore them
Fuchsia, Hebden Bridge, UK
I'm sorry, but even when the 20mph limit is put outside a school, drivers just ignore it. There is one outside our local school and every time I slow down there are impatient drivers on my bumper and no one ever slows down for it.
tyrone, edinburgh, scotland
I really dont see how this is a problem. Remove the speed cameras from the Motorways and place in all residential areas. As soon as someone goes over (lets be generous) 23mph they get snapped and bingo! A £60 revenue has just been generated. Small children and pensioners are safe!
Lukas Tatek, Herts., uk
No-one without a death-wish would want to drive round Paulsgrove at less than 40mph!
The area is so rough that your car's wheels would be stolen if you were silly enough to stop!
Chris Palmer, Southampton, England
In principle I favour the idea of a 20mph speed limit in Portsmouth mainly because as I get older it becomes increasingly difficult to cross the road safely. It is like a lot of Bye-laws we have, like riding cycles on the promenade and in the precincts, there is nobody to impose the regulations.
Derek Beardsall, Portsmouth, England
A "blanket" 20mph limit would force drivers of most cars to drive around town in third gear. The limit should be confined to specific areas like schools.
Martin, Newmarket, UK
'Be careful what you ask for - you may get it.'
Some folks have campaigned successfully for speed ramps only to want them removed again when they experience the noise the things can cause. Speed 'cushions' are a bit better.
Expensive traffic calming with horizontal deflections is the real answer.
Lance, Great Yarmouth, UK
Boxley Village in Kent used to have a speed problem before residents cried foul and forced speed bumps to be installed.
Problem solved - folks drive 20mph whether they like it or not.
Speeders slow down! Your speed is making it hard on all of us!
Mark, Maidstone, UK