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September 16, 2007
Ascari A10
The sausage dog with rottweiler bite
If the motor car were invented today, there is absolutely no way that any government in the world would let normal members of the public drive one. They’d argue it’d be too dangerous, too complicated and suitable only for presidents and members of the armed forces.
Happily, however, it was born at a time when the world hadn’t got round to muddling up liberty with freedom. And as a result, it’s become jolly popular. Today the world is groaning under the weight of 600m vehicles. And Japan alone is adding to that number at the rate of 22,000 a day. That is unsustainable growth.
It’s always hard to predict the future, but in our lifetime – unless you are shot prematurely – there will be only four motor manufacturers. One in America, one in Europe, and a couple in the Far East. And none will be making anything we would recognise as “a car”.
The notion of travelling with the wind in your hair down a country road at 100mph, with petrol providing the firepower and four big exhausts producing the soundtrack, will be an image every bit as outdated as diphtheria.
I have no doubt, for instance, that the speed-kills lobby will eventually win its argument. Dead babies trump 400bhp every time. So all cars will be fitted with a satellite-monitored electronic overlord that will physically prevent you from ever breaking the limit. I’m also confident that the steering wheel will be removed. Already Mercedes has technology that will apply the brakes whenever it’s necessary. The only thing that’s stopping them from fitting it is legislation; the same legislation that insists on two pilots in the cockpit on many commercial flights where only one is needed to actually fly the plane. Even though 80% of all plane crashes are caused by pilot error.
The upshot, then, is that you won’t actually drive your car. You will merely climb in, tell it where you want to go and sit back as it takes you there. Think Will Smith in I, Robot.
All this is certain. And anyone who begs to differ may as well sit on the beach in a robe telling the sea to go away.
Another thing that’s beyond doubt is that you won’t be driving round in a hybrid, such as the Toyota Prius. These use just as much fuel as normal cars and are designed only to assuage the guilt of people whose opinions come from a man so hopeless he couldn’t even beat George Bush to the White House.
You will not have an electric car either. As the G-Wiz proves, They. Do. Not. Work. They run out of juice whenever it’s raining, or dry, or windy. And to charge them up again you have to plug them into a socket that is fed by . . . a power station. Yippee.
No. According to the eggheads, your car will almost certainly be powered by hydrogen. The most abundant gas in the universe. And something that, when burnt, produces nothing but water.
This raises an interesting question. If we’re so worried about melting ice caps and rising sea levels, what’s the world going to look like when 600m motor vehicles start to chuck water out of their tail-pipes? A point only I seem to have spotted thus far. Which means it’s probably irrelevant.
It is possible to use hydrogen in an engine instead of petrol or diesel. Using current technology, you lose about a fifth of the power, and that sounds bad. But come on. To be just 20% behind petrol, which has been fuelling engines for more than a hundred years . . . that’s not a bad starting point.
Except I don’t think it will be the starting point. I think that, soon, the holy grail will be cracked: the hydrogen fuel cell.
Think of it as a battery that is constantly charged by feeding it with hydrogen and oxygen. No, really. You mix them together and all you get in return is pure drinking water, and electricity. Which is then used to power your car, soundlessly, and for ever.
It all sounds like some kind of Monbiotic wet dream but the big players are close now. Close to making the dream of a world without oil a reality.
And please don’t imagine that you’ll have to tootle about in a road-going version of the Hindenburg, exploding in a Nagasaki-style fireball every time you drive under a pylon. The fact is that the best way of storing hydrogen is between the atoms in metal. Already some scientists reckon they have gone one better and have worked out a way of putting 30 litres in a single gram of graphite. And 30 litres would be enough to take a family saloon of the future 5,000 miles. So there we are. Problem solved. Personal transportation will survive. What will die, however, is the notion that “the car” symbolises personal freedom. As you sit there, being “driven” home, at a speed preordained by the government and on a route chosen by Nasa, you will have no control.
The device, the tool, the machine will be no more an extension of your hands and feet than a tumble dryer. It’ll be no more exhilarating than a vacuum cleaner. So yes, while the world will be cleaner and quieter, it’ll be like drowning in ditchwater.
So let’s cheer ourselves up this morning with the fearsome Ascari A10. Normally I avoid road testing cars made by small British companies because no one’s going to buy one anyway. So all I’m doing by saying it’s rubbish is giving the owner someone to blame when the bailiffs come round.
And they are, always, rubbish; hideous carbon fibre and magnesium reminders of what cars used to be like before we got robots to build them.
That’s the thing, you see. The man who started the company can’t afford a robot or a proper factory. So he makes the cars on a soulless out-of-town industrial estate, by hand. And saying a car is a handmade is just another way of saying the door will fall off.
A car made by a small British company won’t have been hot-weather tested in Arizona or subjected to trial by ice in Finland. Chances are, it won’t have been tested at all. And so it goes with the Ascari. I bet that if you bought one it’d be a constant trial.
However, some things are worth a bit of extra effort. And this is one of them. With a tweaked version of BMW’s old M5 engine sitting in the middle of the carbon fibre tub, you have the power of 600 horses in a car that weighs about the same as a sausage dog.
The result is epic. You put your foot on the accelerator and then you become somewhere else. This is hypercar fast. Koenigsegg fast. It really is a tankbuster.
Naturally the sequential gearbox needed to transfer all this power to the rear wheels is substantial. Even the lever is huge, like something from the bridge of a 1960s cargo ship. It’s noisy, too, so noisy that you can hear it whining and clunking above the sound of the four Alpine tunnels masquerading as exhausts. This is a car that makes you just fizz with excitement.
Sitting in the cockpit, hemmed in by strengthening beams and assaulted by the noise, gives you a sense of what it might have been like to be in the engine room of a second world war submarine that was being depth-charged.
But it isn’t all brute-force barnyard technology. It has quite the best steering of any car I’ve ever driven. Perfectly weighted. Perfectly linear in its response. All car makers should be forced, by law, to drive an A10 so they can see what they’re aiming for.
My favourite part, though, is the way it looks. It manages to be pretty and muscular at the same time. Combining the appeal of Kate Moss and the Terminator is a trick no other supercar designer has managed before. Of course, it’s not very cheap. It costs £350,000 and for that you don’t even get a radio. Not that you could hear it anyway.
The A10 is daft, for sure, and not at all relevant in the modern world. It consumes oil and smashes up its environment. But elephants do that as well; they destroy their habitat and drive themselves to extinction. And I bet you’ll be sad when they die out.
Vital statistics
Model Ascari A10
Engine 4941cc, eight cylinders
Power 625bhp @ 7500rpm
Torque 413 lb ft @ 5500rpm
Transmission Six-speed manual and paddle-shift
Fuel n/a
CO2 n/a
Acceleration 0-60mph: 2.8sec
Top speed 215mph Price £350,000
Verdict Destined for motoring history
very good car what's the speed though?
ryan, dawlish, england
Chris, you're absolutely right. And I reckon that if supercars like this one did not exist - or were banned - the whole automobile industry would suffer. If we only had 1.2-litre-3-cylinder-diesel engines and hybrid Toyota's, the whole appeal of cars would be lost. It would be like buying a new microwave oven. BORING, even if it's got an A+ energy rating ;)
Felix, Aachen, Germany
to the guy who says get a life! If you don't appreciate cars then go look at a shoe website! cars are life for most people including me! I mean i dont have anything that great but its the dream that keeps me going! The A10 is a masterpiece i really want one and i know there are loads of people out there who agree with me! and i want someone to buy one for me! i already e-mailed ascari and he wont make me one unless i give him the cash first so that stopped me early! please someone buy me this car and ill work for you!
Chris, Southampton,
Clive Stringer ... admirable sentiments but public transport can never replace private. This summer i attended a course in central london that required me to go up from kent to the city and back every day using public transport ... It is hard to express the overwhelming relief as i collapsed into my car in the station car park every evening and knew i was free to go where i wanted in comfort and privacy ... sorry about the planet etc but that will be my last regular daliance with public transport .... !
andy james, Lyon, France
How draconian of the neo-facist government to impose speed limits on diesel heads.Can't put the lives of children at risk?My God it's health and safety pc gone mad.If a man of the people like Clarkson says it (okey man of the people who went to a private school,and has only seen the people while travelling very fast )then it must be true.You just can't do whatever you want to these days,I am going to my room to scweam and scweam.
Rob, Plymouth, UK
Top Gear and the ads of the car industry aim at the fantasists amongst us. Driving at 150 mph with the wind in your hair may be possible in Scottish Highlands or Arizona but it is a long long way from the reality of motoring for 99% of drivers. Those who drool at the mouth about cars doing 0-60 in 2 seconds and when seeing a celeb driving around a race track trying to beat the time of another celeb really need to get a life.
billcarr, turku, finland
I certainly hope we see this car on Top gear Mr Clarkson, or even better... at MPH! cya at the NEC on the 9th!
Ben, York, Yorkshire
With zero polution from hydrogen you could put all urban cars into tunnels (also like in I, Robot). Although, I suppose, underground you would have to use lowdrogen.
Frank Upton, Solihull,
Unlike the Koenigsegg..egg...egg, Ascari A10 is easier to spell !
River Ely, Manchester,
If cigarettes were invented today, there's no way they'd get official approval either...
Helen, Virginia, USA
There are no hydrogen wells. Hydrogen has to be separated from something else. That takes *lots* of energy. It takes more energy to *make* the hydrogen than you get from burning it or running it through a fuel cell.
Hydrogen is difficult to handle. It has to be kept refrigerated and under pressure. Containers to confine its tiny molecules are massive and expensive. Even storing it in a metalic matrix has its drawbacks.
Batteries are much more efficient.
Bob, Plano, TX
It made me laugh to see 0-60 in 2.8 seconds. Amazing ! But I expect the Veyron is quicker. But one facet of the Veyron's pefromance which isn't mentioned too much is its handling. In the real world cars have to go round corners. So would the much more expensive Veyron be quicker than the Ascari in the real world ?
Bob, Brussels,
Yeh, they may insist you have a man with a red flag walking in front of you! Seems to me that the golden age of motoring was doomed as soon as the car became affordable to the common man. Why not support better public transport and urban planning to take away the NEED to drive then the roads can become the playground Mr Clarkson so desires, just got to find a way to stop people walking or cycling!
Clive Stringer, Eggesford, Devon
Let's rejoice in our freedom to do 60mph outside the local primary school. We'll see whether speed kills then or not. Or is there some imaginary spot in which motorists can exercise their freedom to act like adolescents devoid of risk?
Clarkson may believe he's the voice of the common man, rather than pumping out reactionary sound bites for fat cheques. I couldn't possibly comment.
Colin, holmfirth, west yotkshire
The car kills more people in the world today than anything else.
It causes more pollution than any other single factor (if you count production costs, roads, car parks, which a lot of studies seem to discount).
It has transformed our cities to unsafe places for all, especially children, and paving over 70% of the livable area with ugly roads.
And they stink.
So yeah, thank god we invented the car - the greatest symbol of the selfish generation. What would we do with all that free space, money, clean air, and extra lives?
Jo, edinburgh,
Pity we cant use the methane produced by the elephants
Ray, Melbourne, Australia
As a car fuel, hydrogen seems interesting because it generates a lot of power with no emissions. But, as with electricity, the emissions are merely transferred elsewhere. Moreover, if you look at the hydrogen-making process you quickly see the inefficiencies.
I'm not so sure that electric vehicles are as impractical as you suggest. The average U.S. driver goes 28 miles in a day, and in the average city the average road speeds are well under 30 miles per hour.
This would seem to point toward electric commuter cars. I am going to test the whole idea with an electric-powered (converted from gas) Ford Ranger pickup truck. Oh, and here in Seattle 95% of our juice comes from hydro power, so at least in this location an electric vehicle really does have green credentials.
But what's this you say about it not working in the rain? That would be a problem.
CW, Seattle, WA
Another great article from Jeremy. I read a interesting story recently that shows the rant by police and politicians over "street racing" is totally off the mark. Between 1998 and 2005 police chases in the United States had four times the fatalities that street racing did. Street racing deaths accounted for just over 1/10 of 1% (.11) while police chases were almost 1/2 of 1% (.44) With the intereference of politicians today on safety in our daily lives it is amazing that anyone over 40 has even survived. Lets face it most politicians are good for NOTHING.
Don Hills, Vernon B.C., Canada
I like Jeremy's little rants. makes the loony Politicians out for what they really are. Er, loony. Why do we vote for these idiots...
Del, Wiltshire, UK
Generating Hydrogen IS a solved problem. Check out Quantum Fuel Systems. They have manufactured a truck mounted Hydrogen generation system. QTWW.com
Andy, Dallas, US
Uhmm... If we had continued using raw horse power --- perhaps always the thinking people's secret preference? --- until today, we would not now be threatened with global warming and all its multitude of associated hazards.
If global warming can be curbed, then this reversal might take as long to bring about as it has to create.
In which case our grandchildren for their survival had best adapt to life on mountain peaks.
Invented today --- in a horsey world, remember --- the car would likely be held many a place in suspicious awe as is anything new..
Chances are global warming would still be to come from exhausts.
Best regards,
Ron Willis (non-driver).
Ron Willis, Perth, Western Australia
By a TVR instead, good British car or a Caterham for speed.
G Singh, London,
The petrol engine hasnt always done 0-60 in 3 secs. The sooner we embrace all of these 'attempts' at improvement, the quicker the technology will develop and we'll all be driving electric cars worth owning. With a bit of luck there will still be a few polar bears around too. Prius owners and those who demand low emissions may not have the solution wrapped up but they encourage the motor industry to try harder.
Ricky, CT, South Africa
Whow! Wonderfull! Fantastic!
We have seen Prince Charles with a feather crown.
This is the only suitable crown for an english royal prince!
We have not forgot the "linea Morgan".
Thank you very much, English and good bye from Trieste.
Maria Novella Loppel, Trieste, Italy
Thank God the draconian fun-free future has not yet come to be - but I have a feeling that there will always be cool ways to thrill our pants into a knot, like we currently do by driving loud, fast sports cars, especially if you have £350,000 to spend.
Two comments about Hydrogen (that haven't yet been mentioned):
- I'm certainly no rocket scientist, but storing 30 litres of fuel in a single gram of graphite? Maybe that concept is brought to you by the same eggheads who brought us "cold fusion".
- Because Hydrogen expands as it warms (as it will do while sitting in your garage), the pressure is vented off while the car sits. I read about recent BMW H2 cars which will vent the entire tank after just a few days of sitting. Isn't that cool? Not only are you left standing in your driveway rubbing your keys, but you're out the 100 Euro it took to fill it up friday afternoon.
I don't see H2 as working either...
Miles, Bensheim, Germany
Hey Clarkson,
My sister-in-law does Laguna Seca in 1:54 in her Rx8.......
myers, veneta, OR
Nearly four thousand zettajoules of energy from the sun hits this planet in a year: so much it sounds like I made it up.
Now most of this is wasted on stuff like the water cycle, or the carbon cycle, or the solar powered electric cycle; so miniscule is the human demand for energy it beggars belief that it could upset any of these cycles, but it does.
This leaves us two rational choices, either we all sit about doing as little as possible slowly shuffling about our finite resource for as long as we can eek it out, or we rush around to our hearts content and face the fact our time is as limited as every other atom in this universe.
Lets stop wasting our time and energy driving pointless cars to pointless shops.
Most of the lovely overdraft of energy locked up in the bank of oils seem to spent on some seriously tasteless gaff - If you are silly enough to believe you can save the world, travel at speed, in serene surroundings, don't buy a Lexus by a Lotus and a pair of ear plugs.
Neil Baird, Bath, England
What no one seems to have realised is that Hydrogen is not really a fuel, but is merely a means of transporting or transferring energy.
Using current methods it actually takes more energy to create the hydrogen than is recovered in the process of that energy subsequently being released, whichever method is used to release it.
Most sources of hydrogen that are used commercially reform it from hydrocarbon fuels, which is obviously not a sustainable solution.
Fuel of the future? Not really! The only sustainable options are reduced consumption and biofuels.
James , Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire
Generating hydrigen is easy. All we need to do is build more nuclear power plants - another thing many climate change activists ignore.
Fraser, Munich, Germany
I just hope the A10 sees a feature in series 10 of Top Gear.
Michael N. , Boston,
Hydrogen, I learnt it may be produced by genetically modified microalgae; in tanks, a sunlit surface of 33 sq. mtrs. sufficient to produce enough H2 to power a car for a year. I found that interesting.
Ted, Cork, Ireland
Are "climate change advocates" people who support climate change?
Matt, Guildford,
To the Man with the Jag. I'll buy it from you. Because they are still so pretty that I'd be performing a valuable service to my fellow commuters by driving it. I would make their hearts lift when they see such an attractive car. In other words don't buy the Volvo - it's a sign that you are getting old and caring about thw wrong things.
Bob, Brussels,
This car has done the rounds over the last couple of years and seems as though it is another car never to see the light of day!! , I am lead to believe the KZ1 has finished as well, why waste space in the paper with such non events!!
Ronald Burton, London,
Ethanol? I´m not sure ethanol is the way to go. Mr. Vangelatos. When everyone begins to focus their food production on trying to fill gas tanks and people living on subsistence wages can't even afford a loaf of bread due to the ever increasing prices of corn, wheat, etc, and forests are cut down to increase production, hydrogen will surely seem to be the best alternative. Chew on that why don't you.
Mike, Boston, USA
" It’s always hard to predict the future, but in our lifetime – unless you are shot prematurely – there will be only four motor manufacturers."
I do hope I'm not shot prematurely. My appointed date with the firing squad is not until November 2020.
ColinG, Doha,
Using the Reva/G-Wiz to condemn electric cars is like condemning all gasoline-powered cars based on your experience with a Trabant.
Tony Belding, Hamilton, Texas
Hydrogen produced by wave generated electricity added by solar on riggs in the ocean using electrolosis would work.
But why waste the electicity that way when it can be stored in an EESTOR ultra capacitor and drive a car for over 500 miles on a charge
EESTOR has produced the capacitor it is having problems mass producing (purity problems with barium titanate)
Using water instead of oil is benificial in many ways.
The first is that it requires large amounts of electicity to convert oil to hygrogen another it how much CO2 is emitted during this process
Water to water is better.
have fun picking this apart
David Squires, Hamilton, AL
That is four motor manufacurers... and Morgan :-)
Thaddy de Koning, Amsterdam, The Netherlands
Using the Reva/G-Wiz to condemn all electric cars is like condemning all gasoline-powered cars based on your experience with a Trabant.
Also. . . 30 liters of hydrogen gas is about three grams, and can indeed propel your car 5,000 miles -- if you assume your car gets the equivalent of 600,000 MPG efficiency. Not likely.
Tony Belding, Hamilton, Texas
So, by reading all of this we manage to figure out we are scr### anyway...
Meanwhile I'll get a v12 and do my part to change the world..
Conrado Balbinot, Torino, Italy
Very nice article.
Although, i don't think the car as we know and love will die, noone is going to assume the responsibility for an autopilot.
Fabrizio Sassi, Valmorea, Italy
To be exactly right the hydrogen car will burn ethanol. It is practically everywhere, -it is alcohol- you can grow it off the ground and it is storage -easy compared to hydrogen. A new ethanol to alcohol modifier will turn ethanol to hydrogen on demand and then feed the fuell cell. Little by little. Any other way the hydrogen storage will always be too dangerous -think Nagasaki instead of a hydrogen gas station- or too expensive.
Until then think motorcycle if you want to please the gods of acceleration and power on low weight, and just stop wearing yourselves out with these stupid yellow stuff!
Vangelis Vangelatos, Athens Greece,
You've got to love Clarkson! Politically Correct? Of course not. But shrewd and very, very funny.
Tony Rome, UK,
What's this, the kinder, gentler Clarkson waxing sentimental about elephants? I don't come here for pragmatism.
As for hydrogen, the source production might require energy and pollution but is more easily controlled if centralized. If they can figure out how simulate the bark of a high-strung piston engine.......
Mike, Pittsburgh,
Looking for excitement by driving a car is like those people who smoke marijuana - the mj does one thing, the nicotine does the opposite.
Have these people not *heard* of motorbikes?
Helen
Helen Rees, Birmingham, UK
-what’s the world going to look like when 600m motor vehicles start to chuck water out of their tail-pipes?- I've often wondered that - well done JC!!!
Eddie Stuart, Elgin, Scotland
and the Hydrogen is produced how? Oh dear, with electricity from a power station. Oh, bu**er; back to the drawing board!
John Hidle, Nottingham, UK
Am i losing my mind, i have a 2000 Jag XJ8 and i found myself looking at Volvo Coupe's the other day thinking "oh that looks nice". I am now at the point of actually thinking of swapping! Please advise? I do remember a top gear where hamster and yourself said my current car was a magnificent thing to own but do expect to keep it till the end of its life (depreciation likened to northern rock share prices) but it is a time for a change..
Lee Massey, Manchester, England
Great column as always Mr Clarkson, but I have to pick you up on one point, namely when you say that cars made by small British companies are "always rubbish."
You clearly have a short memory as I seem to remember your gushing praise for the Ariel Atom (you used the phrase "driving nirvana" when testing it on Top Gear), the Lotus Exige and the Noble M400.
Clearly, not all small British companies produce rubbish cars.
Oliver Clanford, Cambridge, England
Oh, if you burn hydrogen in compressed air, you will get some Ammonia too... and burning fossil fuels generates quite a lot of water... incidentally Water vapour is a far more effective greenhouse gas than CO2, for reasons that climate change advocates really want to ignore.
David Chorley, Tulsa, oklahoma USA
Elephants don't consume oil.
Matt Farrow, London,
What a depressing read! Truth be told i think your views are accurate if you make the assumption that the social climate won't change. Personally though i think as the internet generation grows up (me being one of those individuals) we realize just how poor things are in the sterile but rather boring virtual world, and you'll probably see a re-emergence of people taking on exciting things like skiing and wrestling crocodiles and what not, and if thats true i cant see the car morphing into some soulless transport object.
If what you say does come true, then the upshot is your fantasy of mobile living rooms and vodka bars could very well come true. For me though i think I'd rather just build a personal flight device and ignore restrictions at large, Ive spent enough of my life inside dark rooms.
Nick Owczarzak., Ann Arbor, USA, Michigan
erm, where is all this hydrogen going to come from?
A hole in the ground? No! Unless you allow reforming of Natural Gas (oops, fossil fuel..)
It grows on trees? No!! (Unless you allow pyrolysis of biomass (not exactly energy-free...))
By splitting water into Oxygen and Hydrogen using (wait for it...) Electricity? could be, if we get the electricity from the sun - but then we are trapping more energy from the sun, which could heat things up somewhat...
Using hydrogen in cars is more-or-less a solved problem.
Generating the hydrogen definitely isn't
ATM, Brussels,
-designed only to assuage the guilt of people whose opinions come from a man so hopeless he couldn’t even beat George Bush to the White House.-
The best line of the year so far.
steve, Sunshine Coast, Australia
Clarksons right, hybrids are not the way foward, they are not more economical than a modern diesel and the batterys will end up on the tip as well. anyone ever calculated the enviromental cost of buildings these "cars" from manufacture to end of life? Toyota is currently seeking to ease the guilt look at the pharsical LS600 or the RX400, giving V8 power and eco image to those who actually bought it for the extra power.
Charles, Dublin, Ireland
"What’s the world going to look like when 600m motor vehicles start to chuck water out of their tail-pipes?"
You are right, it likely will be irrelevant. Perhaps the roads will be wetter. The hydrogen will likely be provided by electrolysis of water (separation of the oxygen from the hydrogen atoms). So the same amount of water "converted" into hydrogen fuel, would later be "converted" back to water when the fuel is used.
It takes energy to separate the hydrogen into a fuel though. Hydrogen is not a fuel source, but an energy storage method. Rechargable batteries are also not a fuel source but a storage method.
You seem to have an anti-electric car bias. I must disagree there. I would prefer the batteries because 1. they would allow "at home" refueling thus saving me time & mileage, 2. although batteries can catch on fire, they are not as explosive as hydrogen and 3. at least I can buy an electric car. Where is the hydrogen car dealership again? Hmmm???
Joe Shmoe, Webster, NY
thank god!
welcome back to where you belong, in a supercar.
leave the minis and vans to the hamster.
albert elzinga, Tweed Heads, NSW Australia
Meh, I've seen better supercars in may day. I mean sure, the Ascari is an impressive bit of car, but lets be honest, in a world filled with some of the most outrageous supercars ever (The Veyron and SSC TT come to mind), the Ascari fades into the darkness.
That, of course, is something that it doesn't deserve, but unfortunately, it will happen. Maybe it is the news as of late, we Americans taking the speed crown back in particular, that makes this feel so "not special." But the price? I just seems far too expensive for a lightweight with a BMW V8, impressive performance numbers aside.
For that much money, I can get a Saleen S7 Twin-Turbo and still have cash left over for a nice Porsche 911 and a Pontiac G8 GT for good measure...
Brad Y, Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA
I would love a car that makes no noise (or fake noise piped in?) and no pollution.
AS LONG AS IT HAS 4 MILLION KILOWATTHORSEPOWERTORQUES AND I"M IN CONTROL (when I want to be)...
Gus, Los Angeles, USA / CA