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Tony Blair is to write to everyone who has signed the petition against road pricing in an attempt to dispel the “myths” about the proposed charging system.
Next week he will send all the signatories an e-mail defending the plan to hold regional trials of the pay-by-the-mile scheme.
More than 1.3 million people have now signed the petition on Downing Street’s website and the total could reach two million by next Tuesday, when the petition closes.
Ministers admit privately that the experiment in internet democracy has been a political disaster, but they hope to recover ground by taking advantage of having the e-mail addresses of everyone who signs the petition.
A government source said: “At least we can get directly in touch with those people who are so strongly opposed to road pricing that they signed the petition.
“They can expect a detailed reply in a day or two after the petition closes. It will address some of the myths circulated by those trying to ramp up support for the petition, such as the claim that the system will be used to catch people speeding and to track people’s movements.”
Douglas Alexander, the Transport Secretary, has promised that the technology will be used only to tackle congestion and not to determine the speed of a vehicle, even though it may have this capacity. He has also pledged that there would be safeguards to guarantee people’s privacy. Mr Blair’s e-mail is also expected to offer some reassurance about the revenues from road pricing, but will stop short of making a commitment not to raise the overall level of motoring taxes.
The Government has already said that it does not want to introduce a “tax on top of another tax”, implying that either fuel duty or road tax would be reduced to compensate for the introduction of road pricing.
The source said that Mr Blair and Gordon Brown, the Chancellor, agreed that the petition should not be allowed to undermine the Government’s policy of testing the potential benefits of road pricing in trials starting within five years.
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I think it's fairly naive of people to complain. Why don't come up with an alternative? Despite fuel and car tax increases people are still using their cars in a big way. You want better public transport, health care and education but you're not willing to pay for it!
It seems to me that it is impossible for the government to get it right. No matter what they do they get criticised, without anyone providing an alternative solution.
Ez, Bristle,
we already pay far to much tax full stop,when are the british people going to stand up and be counted ,we have been nconned long enough, this last budget with the hike in road tax is a joke i work up to 76 hours week starting at 4am with no other way of getting to work than by my 2ltre 4x4 in bad weather at 4am, but Gordon Brown wants to force off the road and out of my job,what are we peasants, no we are the working people keep this country alive, its about time this government was booted out, also we now find we are worse off on income tax where is it going to end.the lower paid workers would like to keep a bit more of what we graft for, its the same old story the rich get richer the poor get poorer why do we bother nobody listens.
ron julian, keighley, west jorkshire
I am truly disgusted at this preposterous idea.
I work really, really hard trying to bring up my 1 year old son, paying my mortgage, and studying for a degree, working and everything else.
I happen to work in Leeds, and it is the only decent job for miles around. How dare you ignorant money grabbing upper class sods make my life harder by imposing an elitist tax on the roads as well. Bad enough I could not afford to go to University in 1999, without this as well.
Maybe I should sit on my backside and claim the dole like everyone else nowadays.
It makes my blood boil.
Emma Foster, doncaster,
I think it is disgusting. I'm a single parent who works 10 hour days to avoid having to claim benefits. The government say they want more mothers getting back to work but at every turn we are hit with more and more taxes. More people will have to give up their work to be able to live at all. IT IS RIDICULOUS!!
Susan, Antrim, Antrim
I live in a small Buckinghamshire village which sits just off the M40.
Obviously I worry about the additional costs I will incur (it can be a struggle to make ends meet already), but my main concern is that the village I live in will become a through road for motorway traffic as people attempt to keep costs down by travelling on B-roads.
Sarah Jane Polson, High Wycombe, England
The middle class working individual has become a tax drone. The politicians don't seem to be aware that those of us paying the price of working are becoming the poor. We are not given any help to be a 'normal family' with jobs and responsibilities. If the proposed tax on road use takes the path that most people believe it will, more of us will have to give up our jobs, which are impossible to reach on time by public transport, and push up house prices in the city centres even more. Worktime park and rides should be introduced and better public transport links to smaller communities before the drastic measures suggested.
debbie, Bristol, South Glos
Why is it that nearly everything this Government does for the public MUST involve some form of tax? We already pay to much tax in nearly everything we do as it is and more road tax charges is not acceptable and no one in their right mind should accept it. No MORE eneough is enough!!!!
Ben Oyuke, Peterborough, Cambridgeshire
No road tax charges! You went against our wishes and started the long journey to destroy to what has now become a bloodbath in Iraq when are you ever just going to listen to the people that you are suppose to be governing and stop dictating to us!
Bukky Sanni, Wembley, London,
we dont need this you have bled this country dry as it is..
you have more funds than anyone else in this country its about time we all had something back..
EG: update the road surfaces etc... and drop the road fund tax
this country is a disgrace.. it`s getting worse not getting better... Its about time you woke up and lived in the real world us general public can`t afford your silly outbursts..
its about time something sensible was done not this stupidity....
Mike, Cambridgeshire, east anglia
Stelth taxes by any government or corporation are the ineviatable answer of the lame and incompident manager, to deal problems they face when they never understood the original problem.
More taxation or road charges will never be the answer.
Free public transport is the first step followed low train fairs
bradberry, birmingham, west midlands
How much more can the goverment take from the working people of this country, or they trying to see us not be able to get to work, because some of us that is the only way. Come on Britain stand up to Tony and say no to road charges, is he going to pay the charges or are we the tax payer going to pay for his
H Richards, Swansea, UK
dont u think we are being charged enough already for being BRITISH! when will congestion charges stop even if people change thier times of working or travel, will it become 24 7 365 days a year? what happened to the saying "The best of british"? Maybe blair should take a heafty pay cut and join the rest of us hard working poorly paid BRITISH citerzens ( white coller workers) trying to make ends meet, will the foreigners be charged the same, will the filthy rich be charged? maybe people would use the public transport services IF they were cheaper than using your car and arrived on time. Blair has made too many false promises before, he's a liar and defrauding our country FOR What !!!! another pay rise! I say LABOUR OUT before England is no Longer!!!!!!!
E Russell, Lancing, West sussex
Yet another Goverment scam to make money..! This is against our rights and what the british people want. We are been dictated by a goverment that once again refuses to listen.
Neil, Hereford,
Give us a decent public transport system and we won't need to use the roads in cars etc so much. A trip from Nottingham to London by car costs £35 incuding the congestion charge and 4 people can travel for that amount. Add parking for the day of £35 and it is still considerably cheaper than travelling by train for two people. Lets have train fares of say £15 per person travelling on any train and I would use public transport. Go to Melbourne in Australia and see how a well devised system works.
Max Smith, Nottingham,
Great NOT !!!! thin=k again . Lets do this for the people who live today and worry about tomorrow as all politicians do ?????
P Ward, Jarrow, Tyne and Wear
Yet again Joe Soap has to pay for the short comings of our yes our POWER. What about 2 JAGS !! this is a total abuse of control of England and its people. let's stand united against the dictation .
Peter Ward, Jarrow, Tyne and Wear
I am a Disab;ed driver and need my car at all times to be able to just get out of my house how will this affect myself i say NO to any road priceing we already pay a high price to live
Derek , Middlesbrough, U/K
We are against the introduction of road charging in this way. We already pay far more for our road use through vehicle licencensing and petrol tax than is spent on the road system. This is another tax rather than a cure for road congestion and another way for the state to monitor our every move. It wil penalise poorer people trying to earn a living.
The way to reduce congestion is to provide good quality, affordable public transport!
Mr R and Mrs C Nevill , Weymouth, Dorset
the best thing we did have in this country and they took it away..... The Trams In London.... No Polution at-all....
Then the rail services they privatised themm More money to those others again)
wake up tony blair u have not got a clue hurry up and step down b4 u ruin this country....
Oh I forgot you already have DAMN!!!
no wonder more of us brits are leaveing this country overtaxed on everything we do and next it`ll be the air we breathe..
Do us all a favor and step down.. and lets get some one to sort out the mess that you started....
Mike, Cambridgeshire, east anglia
your just pushing the poor off the roads, we already pay high petrol taxes. you want people to use public transport that just isn't safe or pleasant to travel on, sort that out. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED.
Brian, greenhithe, kent
you are giving the motorist every charge you can give. road tax , fuel tax and now charges for driving on the roads. this is for the elite not the normal users of the road. the rich get rich and the poor get poorer. get with it mr. blair and mr brown dont you think you have screwed the motorist enough.
n jones, blackwood, wales
This is not a stealth tax - it is daylight robbery!!
M. Brentnall, Nottingham, England
if the charges come into force,how much is it going to cost ,in extra price increases in food etc as hauliers are going to pass on charges for hauling food stuff and petrol.so we will have to pay twice unless the government is going to increase wages and state pensions.so the majority of us can live and pay our bills. the poor and elderly are having a struggle as it is,to make ends meet.
d bridson, chard, somerset
Surely it's simple? If you must have a road charge, then charge those who only drive a few miles on the school run or to the shops. This would avoid congestion at 'school' times and perhaps by default, help with the obesity problem that we appear to have.
Steve Mills, Crawley, UK
Im somewhat sick of more taxes. each year finding more money for council taxes and now to find the government want to tax me on the roads that the Romans built, it seems we have alot to learn from our European neigbours.Better roads pay less for fuel
To make things fair what it needs is every government minister including the prime minister and the MPs whatever Party. Take away their privelige vehicles that we the tax payer pays for and make them use their own like I do to get to my job.
Paul White, Southend, Essex
I visit my mother in a care home in Oxford a few times amonth..i live in Stoke on trent...how can i possibly afford to carry on if this happens?!!!
Carole Martin, S-O-Trent, U.K
we pay enough road tax in the uk. why should we pay more. most people work hard for a living and you screw us rotten i will not vote for blair ever again.
john hartley, east kilbride, glasgow
From where i live i would have to chatch two Buses which would cost £2-50 each way,and two trains,plus agood 30minute walk and the lateis i start work is 5-30am.as there is no public transport around that time of morning i have to drive.Tony by abolishing road tax and putting it on fuel purchases i beleve you woud gain more support than this road charging scam,which is just another way for old Brownie to take even more money off of the car drivers.
Ray Ongley, Chatham, Kent
we already pay enough for use of the roads/and the rights to drive on them in this country, even USA drivers don't have to pay as much as us for any of these charges i.e. tax insurance,mot,fuel tax etc what more can we say except maybe you should listen to those who voted for you to be head of the country!
caroline clark, Bristol, ENGLAND
I am against road charges
k.Luchoomun, Amersham, Bucks
not another form of tax ???? what next toilet tax ??flushhh flusshhhh.
Mrs Titterrell, Bristol, ENGLAND
If it were to contribute towards reducing public transport prices and better roads, one might see some sence in another tax
but we all know that hasnt helped before and why on earth would things be different this time round.
we not only have one of the worlds most expensive public transport systems but it it also one of the most unreliable.
If our government were to wake up even now there might be a chance to improve the appauling state of public bus and train services.
ms shah, reading, berkshire
this is mad we pay for road tax and fuel tax as it is. we all dont earn as much as blair
ricky, sheffield, england
the price of buses,undergrounds,british rails,seaports&airports are going up and up non stop.that is not enough mots,petrol&road tax going up,that is not enough council parking&tax shooting to the sky,that is not enough now drive per mile.how much do i need to earn to pay all these.where is democrasy?is this democratic decision?i will never vote labor in my lifetime again.
tahsin, bromley, kent
shocking!
Robert Smith, Coatbridge, Scotland
I am completey against such a devisive tax.
This is nothing but a rich / poor divide. The rich to ride, after
all taxpayers funding the existing infrastructure.
Is this socialist democracy???
Eddie Evans, Hythe, England
your bleeding us enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
David Quantick, Abertillery, wales
What is happening to this country? We have just spent Billions on destroying & executing a dictator,It is no better in this country, We are being dictated to more and more. We are charged for everything we do, any pleasures we may have, are being taken away by this Goverment. When are we going to stand up for ourselves and say enough is enough. No to road tax charges.
V Roberts, Milton Keynes,
Why dont you just kill the working man off all together.,because that is what you are slowly doing.
Val Smith, Chesterfield, Derbyshire
Road charging is another tax against people such as myself on a state pension who have a low fixed income.
We have a disabled member of the family and need to travel from Yorkshire to London to visit specialist hospitals.
How can we avoid this charge?
If we plan on a cheap UK holiday and have to pay road charges, it may stop any holidays.
New Labour is for the well off and is charging poor people into further poverty and isolation.
martin Wood, Huddersfield, West Yorkshire
Replace road tax with increased duty on fuel.
People who drive bigger cars and take unnecessary journeys will pay according to the damage they do to the environment. A number of civil servants could be re-deployed saving considerable overheads. People who dont currently pay road tax would become accountable as they purchase fuel. People would buy smaller cars, reducing CO2 emissions. Public transport would become more viable, reducing congestion on our roads. At a stroke, by abolishing road tax, and levying the tax direct on fuel purchase, this will solve a number of problems and reduce congestion.
Mike Glanville, Lymington, Hampshire
When will Tony and the Government appreciate that not everyone lives in London. By this I mean, we don't all have access to first rate public transport. I live in Bournemouth and use buses at least once a week, and I can tell you trying to travel even short journeys (less than 5 miles) can create quite a problem, not to mention the cost. As it is, when I catch a bus to and from work, I have a twenty minute walk betwwen the bus stop and my home. Visiting banks or other businesses in my lunch time is impossible without a car and I have to take time off work as and when I need to visit these places, thus costing me more money !
Dom Ranking, Bournemouth,
Even if you trust the word of this Government and Blair not to spy (which is unlikely), what of future governments? As with electronic identity cards, we really would be in a potential BIG BROTHER country.
Eric Elsworth, Frinton-on-Sea, Essex
why should we pay all these stupid prices when they will not cut anything esle down for this
but they will put more on the taxs and petrol they won't cut they down they will put more on them
what about old poeple who drives and its the way they can get about
they may live in villians were they have to use the car or bus because they put transports up for this
so i really don't think if fare
wendy thrower, huntingdon, cambs
Does Mr Tony Blair think that this new method will curb congestion and everything that is caused by overconsumption of cars?
Is this "road pricing" going to replace the tax fuel?
Did Mr Tony Blair thought about how much all this will affect his citizens?
I am afraid,cars are still considered the best mean of trasport despite public transport service working very well. It's true, however,that we unfortunately ignore the long-term consequences of what this will lead to.
In my opinion Mr Tony Blair shoul have come up with some other good ideas, instead of affecting citizens so much.
It is painfully obvious, therefore, that drivers will find very soon a subterfuge in order not to pay what in their opinion is not fair.
Lisa, London,
I do not oppose the idea of pay-per-mile road charging in principle. Congestion is a waste of time & energy and creates avoidable pollution. However, I oppose the probable cost of implementing and maintaining it; I oppose the capability the technology to be used has for "spying" on each and every car driver (so that anyone with access to the data can tell precisely where we've been and when, and how we got there); I oppose the blanket charging of everyone in the country to relieve congestion in large conurbations - there's little or no congestion in less populated areas, so why tax those areas?... unless the reduction in road tax and fuel duty fully compensates.
London already has a congestion charge, collected without the need for electronic spies in our cars. Why not just extend that to other congested areas? I just wouldn't trust our rulers (I hesitate to say 'leaders', these days) not to use the tracking data for something other than its published intention.
Peter Duncan, Longniddry, UK
Once road pricing is introduced albeit initially only on our busiest roads, at peak times, what's to stop the government then extending it over time ,to cover all journeys, and on all roads in the future.
Phil Wilson, Sudbury, Suffolk, UK
Road pricing isn't intended to make motoring easier. Private vehicles don't only cause congestion and add to pollution, the way in which towns, cities and villages have been butchered to allow more roads and parking is nothing short of a complete planning tragedy. If road pricing makes owning and using a car impossible for some and unattractive for most it will hopefully encourage people to do sensible things like living closer to work or family and walking and cycling for short journeys. That might reduce the increasing levels of obesity in this country. I made a conscious decision to buy my house close to a railway station in a rural village so I could commute to work (a compromise I made because I couldn't afford house prices in the city). I own a car but now rarely use it, even on weekends. It's high time most people had the guts to do the same.
Stuart, Insch, Aberdeenshire
I really do hope that everybody replies, that they do not believe him, or anyone else in this government, with regard to the subject.
We already have the London congestion charge, or toll by any other name, and it is obvious that beside the toll there will be increased prices as the transport industry will
pass on their part of the tax to the public, some of whom have no cars!!!!
Mr Crooks, Barnsley, England
All we need is a miraculous server crash and all data is lost. IT is a very powerful thing! Blair and Brown not allowing this petition. My mind is made up, they won't sway me!
Clive , Tunbridge Wells , Kent
Let's hope that Tony will get 2million replies asking why we would believe anything he says!
malcolm, London,
So road pricing gets introduced, does that mean no fuel tax? If so do i swap my 1.4 litre diesel for a supercharged Jag as the fuel is halved in price?
richard, bolton,
In Stoke on Trent road congestion is created by the local authority. Closed roads (rat runs) cause alln traffic to use one road, the result is obvious. A plethoria of traffic lights at junctions all out of sequence causing unnecessary tail backs and blocked junctions and most obvious of all is incredible unexplainable bulges from islands in the middle of the road bringing traffic into a bottle neck from a double carriageway prior to entering into a triple carriageway prior to some 20 traffic lights all at different timings which very nicely causes a wonderful tail back through the town. Why not spend time money and thought sorting the rail network out and getting more freight on the train as it used to be.
James Meechan, Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire
This article is proof of how this Government intends to infringe into our private lives and erode our civil liberties.
Tony Blair should look at how the M6 Toll road is working, whatever the time of day you drive along it, the lanes are almost empty. Drivers do not intend paying they would sooner find a different route. It is not going to work forcing people to pay additional road pricing on top of the high fuel costs.
If Blair tries to push these road charges through without listening to the public, they will revolt by gridlocking the motorways and cities and bringing the country to a halt.
It is high time that Tony Blair listened to the citizens of this country for once.
Dave, Shropshire, UK
Mr Blair can say what he wants. The scheme is unacceptable in any form, it is not wanted, it will not be tolerated and unless they are prepared for civil unrest on a huge scale then wise up and listen!!
Jimmy, York, England
Long day. Just got to this. The others have pretty much covered it all. But here's my 2p:
So Mr. Blair is going to write to me to dispel the myths that caused me to sign the petition?
Poor old me. I just signed it because it looked like yet another half-a***ed income generating exercise concocted by city-dwellers to fill the index-linked public sector pension hole in the name of green, with no clear outline of how the revenue would improve the environment. I do trust that will be addressed in his email.
And now I am going to be fed one-sided propaganda to make me change my mind, because they know where I live. What next? Zils at dawn?
I think I feel another political disaster coming on. Spinning out of control?
Peter 'Junkk Male' Martin, Ross on Wye, UK
It is the method and not the reason that is in question. Surely, postcode, benefits, and so forth could be used to implicate measures. IF we had proper public transport we would not need to use the car so much. The bus is a delight. BUT when 30 mins late for an important appointment and the other trick is not stopping en route where we need it, because apparently some local shop supports it and feels the old and disabled might go and shop elsewhere. If that makes sense to anybody please explain.
Lyndsay Piper, woking, uk
I hope all two million will be able to reply to Mr Blair's e-mail and it won't be a one-way exercise
Tiggie, birmingham, UK
I signed this petition some time ago and am sure there was some sort of disclaimer stating your details were confidential. So much for that if we're all going to be sent an email to tell us we don't know what we're talking about and to shut up!
Can someone check for me that this is a democracry we live in.
I've come to think that anytime the Government deny claims in this way that there is more than an element of truth involved and expect it to be introduced anytime soon.
I would hate to have his inbox when people reply to the email they intend sending out!
Debs, Essex,
We already have road pricing, it's called fuel tax, The more miles you do, the more you pay, sit in congestion you pay more as you burn more fuel, use a fuel guzzler you pay more.
No need for any fancy new technology to collect it, it's in place already.
This government has been rumbled on this problem of their own invention (amongst many others)
Ray Jude, North Yorkshire, England
The issue to me isn't about taxation, it isn't about money, it isn't about any potential enviromental issues and indeed it sure ain't about the cost of installing these monitors (I wonder who will pay for them?)
The issue to me is about the erosion of my liberties.
If people don't think that government agencies won't use this technology to snoop on us, they're deluded. Did not the DVLA sell all of our details to a commercial third party a few years back? Who doesn't think that this won't be abused?
Tony Glen, Birmingham, UK
This is just another Stealth Tax. The cheek making us pay to set up a system so they can charge more tax. The people should have a right to object - when the majority of people have such low incomes, the government tax us heavily make us live on the breadline while they are living the highlife earning and spending vast amounts of money at ordinary peoples expense who have no say. The last tax introduced by Stealth was for those who live in cities having to pay a HMO Tax whether they are renting out or not. Where will it all stop. Blair will be remembered for his Witch Tax now Hunt on the poor and vulnerable.
Cas, Nottingham,
"... they [The government] hope to recover ground by taking advantage of having the e-mail addresses of everyone who signs the petition. "
They also have the names and postal addresses. Why do I get the sneaking suspicion that all those who have embarassed Tony will find themselves on a few other lists; doubled speeding fines?, income tax investigations? - make up your own list!
Mike Bibby, St Albans, England not EU
I was so irritated, that I forgot to include this reference with my first comment
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/02/12/road_pricing_and_surveillance/
make sure you don't miss pages 2 and 3 .....
alan , London,
From past performance, legislation creep goes hand in hand with the creeps who legislate...and then they insult us by pretending it doesn't......
And who believes they are going to 'listen'?....just think how many 'consultation' exercises, which are almost always skewed by inviting 'responses' from the converted to start with, have been ignored when enough affected people actually participate and produce the 'wrong' answer...
I'm too old to even consider holding my breath........
alan, London,
what is the exact name of this petition? Must sign it
Richard, london,
"It will address some of the myths circulated by those trying to ramp up support for the petition, such as the claim that the system will be used to catch people speeding and to track peoples movements".
Anybody who thinks that, once this technology is in place, it will not be used at some point in the future for purposes other than simply road pricing is surely mistaken.
Richard, Manchester,
Surely all this will do in the end is encourage even more people to drive unregistered and uninsured cars to avoid the cost.
John, Morpeth, Northumberland
Save your money Mr. Blair, no need to send me an e-mail. I wouldn't believe a word from You, Brown or Alexander if you all swore it on a stack of bibles.
jeff cox, Takanini, New Zealand
As Tony Blair intends to use the database of x million signatories against its proposed congestion tax to send out an e-mail giving the Government's arguments, will the organisers of the petition be permitted to use the same database (with safeguards on privacy) to send an e-mail giving the counter-arguments to the Government's own (which seem to be running contrary to a large number of its electorate)?
G Smith, Birmingham, England
What a wonderful move - have a controversial topic on the No 10 website, then take advantage of all those emails for political use come the next election! Data protection? Not when it helps the politicos.....
Government spam - who would think it! :)
mad max, gloucester,
So "Douglas Alexander, the Transport Secretary, has promised that the technology will be used only to tackle congestion and not to determine the speed of a vehicle, even though it may have this capacity. "
The DVLA gave my details to Richmond upon Thames council, so that one of their officials could convict me of a bus lane offence with no right to defend myself before a jury.
Brian Gilbert, HAMPTON, Middx
They gloated whenn Maggie had the Poll Tax riots, why do they forget so quickly?
ken, London,
Tony Blair to email people ?To say what ?
"I am the Emperor I'll do what I like" ??
Paul Chenery, London, England
..."The source said that Mr Blair and Gordon Brown, the Chancellor, agreed that the petition should not be allowed to undermine the Governments policy of testing the potential benefits of road pricing in trials starting within five years. "
Maybe these politicians should listen to the voice of the people they supposedly represent. To openly negate the voice of the people seems contrary to democracy. The last time the British tried this, the United States was born.
Greg, Yuba City, CA, USA
I've signed that petition and I have opened a petition to get rid of this fool. Tony Blair sending me an email won't change the fact that I have to drive 50,000 miles a year for work in order to feed my family, they are already taxing me to the hilt for driving, how much extra will I have to pay? or am I going to end up unemployed as a result of this new tax and find myself claiming benefits therefore putting a bigger strain on the UK economy? Surely I am not the only one in this situation.
I have recently been working with a road safety organisation, maybe the time the government spends on this new tax is better spent on making the roads a safer place!!!
Phil Woods, Connahs Quay, Flintshire